Multi-State Electric School Bus Boot Camp - Shared screen with speaker view
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I lived in Bev many yrs ago and was involved w/ the HS PV system ~1980s, a first. Now this, Bev rocks!
What portion of Beverly overall emissions were the diesel busses contributing? How much would the switch reduce CO2 emissions?
Is that a level 3 charger? If so why did you decide to use a fast charger?
Remember also the benefit of reducing diesel exhaust, which is more immediate health hazard. CO2 is important but NOx and particulates are direct health hazards to students, staff, communities.
What was the range for these buses, and how have you seen them impacted due to cold weather?
It depends on the generation in the state you are in, but in MA, a diesel bus averaging 15,000 miles a year would emit 29 Metric Tons a year, and an electric bus would be responsible for about ~2 MT/ year
Are they stored inside or outside?
I second that you also have to remember the breathing air / local health benefits
NOx and PM2.5
what was the % of funding from VW, HET, National Grid? What is the length of lease (10 years?)
What is the lease length?
What in-house maintenance activities are required of the SD technicians?
Do you have any sort of back up charger?
How long will the buses run in winter before needing to be recharged?
Has there been V2G revenue or utility bill credit with these buses? Id so, how much?
How long is the agreement with HET?What happens to the buses/batteries after the arrangement w/HET is complete?
Some questions about V2G operations:1. what power are the chargers?2. V2G with ISO New England or National grid?3. Estimated annual revenue per bus?
How many EV buses were part of the first launch?How many EV buses will be part of the second launch?
From Larry, Hamden, CT. Did National Grid assist Beverly, MA in the developing Siting Locationa and accompanying construction criteria for the charging locations?
Charging station is not a level 3 fast charger. Range for buses is about 120 miles, but that does decrease in the cold weather months to about 80 miles per full charge. Buses are stored outdoors in Beverly. First lease is 5 years; 2nd lease is 10 years; City has the option to renew leases when they expire. There's no in house maintenance of the electric school buses; all maintenance and charging is done by Highland Electric Transportation. There is a 2nd charging station for back up. We are in the process of utilizing the V2G technology; we expect to have initial data around June 2021.
who manages the supply to the ISO of V2G in the day ahead and 5 minute ahead market? Is it the utility or a 3rd party energy provider who places the bid for providing the electity to the ISO?
Shelly Dein, Quincy
What needs to happen to start V2G?
Will all 326 be V2G?
what is the name of this school district?
Are there any electric bus companies looking to do conversion of diesel buses to electric?
How is Maryland funding the transition?
T Stephen Jones
Is the 80 mile winter range a problem? Will later buses have a longer range?
I would also like to hear more about the decision making process for selecting V2G capable buses.
how does Highland relate to a town's bus company? Where does the money come from that Highland have?
Beverly Public School district; 80 miles in winter is not an issue. Morning and afternoon routes are well below 80 miles.
Hi was there a V2G component involved in the demonstration?
Sam, Congratulations on Beverly rollout and Montgomery County decision. How much was the Montgomery County decision based on PJM rates (vs other RTO's), VW $ and length of lease (assuming is via lease not purchase)?
What size grant in needed to make the $s acceptable for Highland on a 1 or 2 bus lease?
What exactly is the cold weather package?
When would the buses be selling excess electric back to the grid?
Do you find the bus has a lower range in the winter when you are running the heater?
I assume there is a alternative fuel-fired heater on each bus? Or is the electric capability heating the bus at this time?
Does Highland retain any and all V2G revenue that is generated? Does any of that go to reducing a lease buyout?
On the Thomas Jouley units there is no fuel fired heater, all Electric powered
Electric heaters have electric heat. It reduces the range of the vehicle in the winter. If the bus has an 80 mile range in the winter the range is much greater in warmer months
Who dispatches the V2G? The ISD or Nat'l Grid or ?? Also, Are the vehicles black start capable (I..e, grid forming backup).
Cold weather package includes heater and all season tires. Heater is a factor in the reduced mileage capacity during Winter months. Has not been an issue during this Winter.
Highland retains all V2G revenues; no revenue to lease buyout. Beverly's goal is to own the buses at some point and retain the V2G revenues creating a new revenue stream for the City.
You mean there is a minimum not a limit, correct?
At what point would Beverly expect to own its buses? How long is the current lease?
I would be interested in information regarding when we have a bus provider that owns the bus.
What Thomas just described, DR programs, is load response, as opposed to bidirectional V2G. Was the interconnect built/approved for eventual energy dispatch (even if requiring aggregation)? I believe that these vehicles (and some Proterra EVSEs) are ready, but is the utility and Beverly pursuing this?
James, there are other OEMs whose EV school buses have longer range. Lion...
What is the cost to least the bus for the year? Did you have to sign a contract for a certain amount of time?
In ROI have you figured in maintenance costs? EVs have very little maintenance required
T Stephen Jones
How long does a full charge take?
Need chargers in every town so buses can charge during long wait periods at games, events, etc
T Stephen Jones
Thanks thanks thanks
Beverly hopes to transition to electric bus ownership in the next 24-36 months. This will likely require grants, incentives and rebates.
is Highland on any state contracts? What is the annual lease cost per bus? is there still funding available through highland for infrastructure?
Full charge of the bus takes about 3 hours, closer to 4 hours in Winter time.
I agree with Brian, Our goal at Fall Mt is 50% initially.
Shelly Dein, Quincy
Does $24,000 and $26,000 include cost of fueling (electricity) in addition to maintenance?
@Sam Sinkler - does Highland consider organizations outside of school districts that use school buses to transport children? Those tend to be older and dirtier buses. Groups like Boys and Girls Clubs, churches and associated educational facilities, etc.
Yes, it includes maintenance, fueling (electricity), and charge management
does highland work in CT?
Will this chat be captured and available in the recording??
Yes, we are currently working to engage in all states, including CT!
Thank you so much everyone! Very exciting.
Thanks to all for participating. I'm happy to answer questions or provide information that will be helpful to you in electrifying your school bus fleet.
Thank you so much!
thank you Catherine and Daphne. Proterra is proud to be in Beverly.